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Masamune might be better against the normal monster (because of instant kill), but for me against Twilight King, I think the mjolnir is better. Why? My attack is at 999, so the slightly bigger attack using masamune probably isn't actually counted (can't go over 999). I get 20% critical with the mjolnir, but only +15% critical with the masamune, which is why I use the mjolnir. The hit % doesn't matter because Logi doesn't miss with his elevated stats.
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1oldtymer, You've got me with that "3rd grade" sword 
. To be more precise it's second grade from top.
So, some top weapons we may craft:
Mjolnir (top tier axe) - atk+180 hit-3% crit+20% 2h R1
Agavares (top tier 2h sword) - atk+204 2h R1 (MP regen+2, MP cons-12%)
Masamune (2nd tier 2h sword) - atk+193 hit+20% crit+15% 2h R1 (attacks sometimes cause instant death)
Lagio Legias (top tier 1h sword) - atk+135 1h R1-2 (MP regen+5)
Lagio with it small atk boost is out of competition. Yeah yeah you can wear a shield with it, but shield does not increase our damage even for 1 point. For me it goes to Kyle just for combo activations from R2 sometimes.
So the point that the Mjolnir loose to Masamune:
atk difference +13 (imao, although it looks like a small number but in this game it's a lot);
hit difference - it's not about difference but more about that the Mjolnir have negative stat here;
crit -5% - at high lvls weapon crit boost becomes inconspicuous. Full buffed Logi with his class passive crit increased abilities have a crit chance near 100%.
Agavares even better with it's increased atk and MP regens.
P.S. I just remember that your Logi atk is 999. And if 999 is a cap then Agavares is not the best option (I don't really remember if mp regen needed there). But Masamune is still better than Mjolnir in hit/crit terms with good intant kill chance against adds.
. To be more precise it's second grade from top.So, some top weapons we may craft:
Mjolnir (top tier axe) - atk+180 hit-3% crit+20% 2h R1
Agavares (top tier 2h sword) - atk+204 2h R1 (MP regen+2, MP cons-12%)
Masamune (2nd tier 2h sword) - atk+193 hit+20% crit+15% 2h R1 (attacks sometimes cause instant death)
Lagio Legias (top tier 1h sword) - atk+135 1h R1-2 (MP regen+5)
Lagio with it small atk boost is out of competition. Yeah yeah you can wear a shield with it, but shield does not increase our damage even for 1 point. For me it goes to Kyle just for combo activations from R2 sometimes.
So the point that the Mjolnir loose to Masamune:
atk difference +13 (imao, although it looks like a small number but in this game it's a lot);
hit difference - it's not about difference but more about that the Mjolnir have negative stat here;
crit -5% - at high lvls weapon crit boost becomes inconspicuous. Full buffed Logi with his class passive crit increased abilities have a crit chance near 100%.
Agavares even better with it's increased atk and MP regens.
P.S. I just remember that your Logi atk is 999. And if 999 is a cap then Agavares is not the best option (I don't really remember if mp regen needed there). But Masamune is still better than Mjolnir in hit/crit terms with good intant kill chance against adds.
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Thanks! Yes, at 999, I think +crit might make a difference, because I think it works like a multiplier on the attack damage. If it gets capped too, then all those weapons are about the same. as for instant kills, etc., I'm not concerned with the non-boss monsters--my choices are designed to give me the best chance against the Twilight King. Probably just 3 or at most 4 characters will attack him, and everybody else is in support to buff, heal, and revive. If I have one support character with say 6 elixirs, I can let him stand near the attacks and feed elixirs. The trick, it seems to me,, in order to keep up with the King's auto heal, is to always have at least 2 characters pounding him every turn. So I keep some characters out of the catastrophe zone, and rush them in to replace any support character who gets killed. I will try to keep the elixirs coming, and elvish revivers on my hitters so that they are always next to the King. The King's chaotic blaze is nasty, as my characters are designed to withstand the wind attack, not the fire.
Your tips have been great, and I'm putting them to use.
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Hey,old man listen up(this just a calculation)
Even tough your power reach 999 without weapon,you still need to use it especially when your stat get reduced at battle,maybe like this
Your stat:str 250
Enemy cast power down spell your power reduced to 225 and when you use weapon maybe 800-200 your remained str 600
And your str:999 without weapon
Enemy cast power down,999-250=749
And your stat:999+you use weapon str 256
Enemy cast power down, 999-250+256:999+
If it true then it must be a great benefit you know
Even tough your power reach 999 without weapon,you still need to use it especially when your stat get reduced at battle,maybe like this
Your stat:str 250
Enemy cast power down spell your power reduced to 225 and when you use weapon maybe 800-200 your remained str 600
And your str:999 without weapon
Enemy cast power down,999-250=749
And your stat:999+you use weapon str 256
Enemy cast power down, 999-250+256:999+
If it true then it must be a great benefit you know
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rimrazan147
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:sick: Does Twilight King hit me with power down? I know the drones can, but they are gone and I'm healed by the time I get to the Twilight King. I've seen Seal from the King, but not sure about any stat reduction.
How do you get 10,000 from Logi? I can get maybe 6000 sometimes, but even with a Crit hit using Ballistic Smash about 3000 is all I get (maybe my power has been reduced). Do "attack" up buffs do anything--can they push me over the 999?
How do you get 10,000 from Logi? I can get maybe 6000 sometimes, but even with a Crit hit using Ballistic Smash about 3000 is all I get (maybe my power has been reduced). Do "attack" up buffs do anything--can they push me over the 999?
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I'm not sure about "push over the 999". I never looked at stats in battle 
. As you can see my char (Logi again) max atk is 865. I remember that there is a big difference between usual power up buffs and Reinforce (I'm pretty sure that Lufina has this skill) in terms of my Logi output damage. Also crit damage is not the same as a crit rate (chance in %). Mjolnir, for example, increases only chance.
So, Logi has his passive samurai abilities: Critical Power Up, Serenity - that defenitely increase crit damage itself. Not 100% sure, but Demon's Nostrum increase crit dmg as well. Also I remember that I tried position Lufina near damage dealers for passive aura damage buff. But dunno if it can override 999 atk.
Also there is good chances that I'm not 100% honest and that near 10K attack was not from Logi alone but from combo attack with Xenoseed/Me.
. As you can see my char (Logi again) max atk is 865. I remember that there is a big difference between usual power up buffs and Reinforce (I'm pretty sure that Lufina has this skill) in terms of my Logi output damage. Also crit damage is not the same as a crit rate (chance in %). Mjolnir, for example, increases only chance. So, Logi has his passive samurai abilities: Critical Power Up, Serenity - that defenitely increase crit damage itself. Not 100% sure, but Demon's Nostrum increase crit dmg as well. Also I remember that I tried position Lufina near damage dealers for passive aura damage buff. But dunno if it can override 999 atk.
Also there is good chances that I'm not 100% honest and that near 10K attack was not from Logi alone but from combo attack with Xenoseed/Me.
That's interesting. I thought about Lufina's being close, but guessed that the 999 cap would come into play. Is it possible to look at stats in battle? That would help answer some questions, but I have no idea how to do that. Hard to tell which ability or skill might increase critical damage rather than rate. Most seem to increase rate. Lufina's Reinforce: I haven't tried that. Why? Well, Power up says "increases attack..." and Reinforce says "greatly increases attack" so I've been worried that the 999 cap comes into play.
So I'm going to go to some spot outside the cave and attack a weak monster using the buff skills on Logi to see which, if any, provide increase. It should be easy to attack the same class of monster using no buff, the Power Up, and the Reinforce and compare damage. I'm guessing Xenoseed's Charge is the same as Reinforce. I'll post my findings here.
Do you any idea whether Shield Break or Power Down works on the Twilight King?
So I'm going to go to some spot outside the cave and attack a weak monster using the buff skills on Logi to see which, if any, provide increase. It should be easy to attack the same class of monster using no buff, the Power Up, and the Reinforce and compare damage. I'm guessing Xenoseed's Charge is the same as Reinforce. I'll post my findings here.
Do you any idea whether Shield Break or Power Down works on the Twilight King?
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